The correspondence with the various council officials and councillors [the council] and a group of councerned Chartered Engineers [the Engineers] is given below.
The first point is that the council have neither qualification, learning, or experience whereas the Engineers are competent persons. Note the capital "E". The points of contention are:
- The "RSK survey" cannot be described as a survey. It was a walk past with a desk study of other reports. The report is deficient because
- It fails to provide relevant information - such as when is the next rock fall likely [e.g. one in ten years]
- it fails to project the magnitude of the next event - will it be as before a few small rocks, or larger.
- Without this information, any remedial works design will be highly suspect.
- The council failed to conduct a "risk assessment" of the risks which blocking off the path has caused, which are substantial.
The correspondence is in reverse date order [i.e. latest is first]. A review of the corrsependence suggests:
- It is evident that the elected councillors have no ability to understand the specific problem regarding the closure of the path; they have obviously been terrified into believing the RSK report as gospel - rubbish tho it undoubtedly is.
- They are utterly incapable of holding the council's Parks Department and its management to account.
- The Parks Department have no interest in opening the path, having falsely closed it in the first instance in a knee jerk reaction. It was a further six months before the RSK [coverup] report emerged. See https://tdocplus.co.uk/linnpark/information-on-the-park/path-closure/249-about-rsk-geosciences
The Second Attempt - Political
The Gents to Patrick Harvie MP - 22nd May 2025
Thank you for your email.
I quote from our web site:
The simple fact is that the only works required are as follows:
a) Insert key into padlock on gate, unlock, and remove, so opening the gate at the foot of the incline below the Seil Drive entrance.
b) Break the three remaining welds [of six] where extra bars were inserted on Greenock Avenue.
However as has been noted by the now retired General Secretary of COSLA:
Having done something that may well be considered by most people to be both stupid and unnecessary and at not inconsiderable expense, the Council must now be seen to spend even more money to demonstrate that their previous actions were actually necessary.
I have emailed Harvie before, and other politicians . . .
A couple of months ago an examination was carried out which ably demonstrates that the rocks on which the castle was founded are best described as "rock solid"
When will SNP stupidity cease and commons sense prevail.
Attached a couple of photos taken on 18 March.
My guess is that some 250 people pass round the so called SNP dominated GCC "defences." With the river so low, people walk across it and can get trapped within the defences which is much much more dangerous . . . .
Be SAFE - BE Sensible - OPEN the path,
Patrick Harvie MP to the Gents - 21st May 2025
Dear Richard,
I hope this email finds you well, I am gettng in touch from the office of Patrick Harvie MSP.
And thanks for flagging up the issue of path closures and access near Cathcart castle. Given the quite significant amount of time that has elapsed since the closure of these paths, October or November 2021 as I understand, I would be very happy to contact Glasgow City Council as a result to enquire about where the progress or plans for this development are currently given the time that has elapsed. As I understand it there is still no proposed date for the reopening of the gate/paths and given the time that’s now passed, I’m more than happy to press for information and, hopefully, progress on this matter. I would be more than happy to pass on any information to yourself that might be relevant so if this would be useful just let me know.
With best wishes,
Scott Rutherford | he/him
Researcher and Parliamentary Affairs Lead
Patrick Harvie MSP – Glasgow Region
The Gents to Patrick Harvie MP - 16th April 2025
Dear Patrick
Please see the BBC news about " Felled Enfield oak 'had hundreds of years to live' "
Clearly it was quite safe . . . .
The same can be said of the path below Cathcart Castle. It is quite safe, and in the last FIVE years since it was closed off the only thing to come down has been a few leaves. It is used by some HUNDREDS of people and dogs EVERY day.
Ladies with children and prams, old people, and bicyclists are all discriminated against by the SNP led Glasgow City Council.
It comes in the same category of stupidity as felling a safe tree. The council even got a report to say it was dangerous . . . but not signed off by a geologist.
The path closure comes in the same category as ferries, and as post offices.
PLEASE have the path opened as expeditiously as possible.
https://tdocplus.co.uk/linnpark/?view=article&id=254
Richard
PS try riding your bike up Old Castle Road in the rush hour !
The Gents to Glasgow South's MP - 6th February 2025
Thanks for your reply.
> Your local Councillors, Johnny Carson and Catherine Vallis, have been leading on this issue locally. Together, we are continuing to work with the council and local groups on reopening the Linn Park path <
The simple fact is that the only works required are as follows:
- a) Insert key into padlock on gate, unlock, and remove, so opening the gate at the foot of the incline below the Seil Drive entrance.
- b) Break the three remaining welds [of six] where extra bars were inserted on Greenock Avenue.
However as has been noted by the now retired General Secretary of COSLA:
Having done something that may well be considered by most people to be both stupid and unnecessary and at not inconsiderable expense, the Council must now be seen to spend even more money to demonstrate that their previous actions were actually necessary.
Noted that the only thing to have fallen down in the last four years are some leaves.
The remains of the Castle [probably also demolished unnecessarily] and the rock on which it has sat for over half a millennia remains unmoved. [See https://tdocplus.co.uk/linnpark/some-history/cathcart-castle-demolition-the-story]
It is time that common sense be returned to local government, and a simple admission of the making of made a knee-jerk reaction be admitted, resulting in the denial of access, which continues to cause unnecessary distress to many of the local inhabitants. Noted that so far only one person has been killed.
One might ask why the local electorate do not bother to vote ????
The answer is obvious. The winning candidate only achieved 10% of the votes, and has failed to achieve anything.
One might ask how much more "liaising and working together" remains to be done ? So far absolutely NOTHING has been achieved apart of course wasting money that would have been better spent on potholes - Old Castle Road past the castle is a prime example of such waste.
I am sure that the various worthies have expended a huge amount of hot air debating a subject they are simply not competent to debate. And one wonders why it takes eight years to build a single ferry, whereas a hugely complex vessel such as a destroyer can be turned out in a quarter of the time ????
Richard
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Eur Ing Richard Townsend-Rose MA CEng MICE
LinnPark.org.uk
cc'd to said councillors
One auto acknowledgement was received: it reads as follows:
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Councillor Catherine Vallis - Ward 1 – Linn
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It was followed with a further 424 words in 24 sentences over 9 paragraphs [of official gibberish]
Glasgow South's MP to The Gents - 6th February 2025
Ref: Linn Park (Case Ref: GM03055)
Dear Richard,
Thank you for getting in touch with me regarding the closed Linn Park gate on Greenock Avenue.
Your local Councillors, Johnny Carson and Catherine Vallis, have been leading on this issue locally. Together, we are continuing to work with the council and local groups on reopening the Linn Park path.
I have CC’ed Councillors Carson and Vallis into this email, who will happily answer any questions in relation to the gate. Councillor Vallis can also be contacted at +44 7795 922 748.
I am happy to continue to update you on my work on this, so please let me know if that would be of interest and please don’t hesitate to contact me if I can assist you with anything.
Kind Regards,
Gordon McKee MP
Member of Parliament for Glasgow South
The Gents to Glasgow South's MP - 6th February 2025
Any news ???
Or was your enquiry a red herring ???
The Gents to Glasgow South's MP - 19th December 2024
Hi
I refer to your Christmas Card to the Old Smiddy taken round by hand, and the discussion with the Landlord, who bent my ear and persuaded me to ring the Glasgow Office today, and my subsequent conversation.
The appropriate web links are:
The links are to web sites that are personally owned and run.
Linnpark.org.uk is the home of the Linn Park Gentlemen's Walking Club. It points to tdocplus.co.uk/linnpark.
UnaccountableScotland.org.uk is also part of AccountabilityScotland.org.uk.
I can confirm that gentleman from Busby drowned shortly after erection of the fence - it was in the news.
The two people who appear to have been responsible for the demise of the park are Gary Linstead [apparently now retired], and Jack Divine [Parks Dept or something]. We moved all the bad stuff from the park web site to the Unaccountable Scotland web site as it was detracting from the hits on the Linn Park web site.
Check the planning for the local area. . . . the park is also now classed as a Local Nature Reserve . . . why the wild life has all virtually gone remains a question . . .
Thanks for your interest in the Smiddy and the area.
The First Attempt - Technical
The council to the Engineers - 20th February 2023
Thank you for your email regarding the closure of the entrance to Linn Park via Greenock Ave.
I understand the importance of having this entrance re-opened and I made a pre-election commitment to do just that, making it a top priority.
Surveys have been conducted and the entrance is closed for the safety of anyone entering that part of the park. I understand there are people ignoring the warnings and entering the park anyway but I strongly recommend that they do not do so. If anyone was injured, or worse this would be entirely their own responsibility and I can’t stress enough that they should adhere the warnings and not enter by that entrance until it is opened officially.
I have been given costs for two potential solutions to the rock fall issue but revenues of around £120k would be needed as a minimum for one of the options. The Council do not have the funding available for either solution. However, I have been pursuing alternative funding options. We have similar issues at Castlemilk Park and have an application for funding in progress to resolve those issues. It is funding supplied by the Scottish Government for Parks & Open Spaces and active travel therefore, Linn Park fits the criteria. NRS are currently looking into this and will update me soon. If and/or when we can apply this would need to be done by a Community Group. I will be contacting Friends of Linn Park to discuss once NRS confirm we can go ahead. It is looking positive as the funding organisation have already conducted a site visit and have verbally agreed it fits the criteria.
In the meantime, I ask you to be patient and have confidence that myself and Bailie Morgan are working towards the re-opening of the entrance at the earliest opportunity.
Kind regards,
Bailie Paul McCabe
The Engineers to the Council - 19th February 2023
Dear Bailies
Your colleagues have advised us that you are liaising, however it is unclear how matters are progressing.
Bailie Morgan forwarded a response from Seamus Connolly suggesting the Council knows what needs done, has no budget to undertake the works and therefore the park entrance will remain closed for the foreseeable future.
Bailie McCabe suggests a meeting with councillors and officials is being arranged by Bailie Morgan.
If the Council’s “plan” is to do nothing, then we consider that a site meeting with councillors and officials is vital as the decision seems to be based on the single perceived risk of a rock fall. As we have previously pointed out there is a plethora of other risks created by the “closure” which are not being assessed or even identified and considered. Such a meeting would allow us to demonstrate the many risks that require to be considered and fully assessed to enable a balanced decision to be reached. Such a process will also allow the priority for any works which may be required.
The council to the Engineers - 15th February 2023
Further to your request for a meeting with Bailie Morgan and Bailie McCabe, Bailie Morgan has asked that I send you on the below response we have received from Neighbourhoods, Regeneration and Sustainability:-
“MESSAGE SENT ON BEHALF OF SEAMUS CONNOLLY, GROUP MANAGER, PARKS DEVELOPMENT & BEREAVEMENT SERVICES, NEIGHBOURHOODS, REGENERATION AND SUSTAINABILITY
Dear Bailie Morgan,
Thank you for your email regarding the current footpath closure at Linn Park.
We recognise and appreciate the inconvenience this closure has caused to local park users. As you may be aware, the Service had a geo-technical survey carried out on the area of concern and are seeking to carry out the necessary safety works, once funding is in place. The survey has provided the Service with the indicative funding requirement to install an appropriate infrastructural solution.
Unfortunately we have not been in a position, due to budget constraints, to allocate the significant amount of capital required to make the area safe we continue to look at opportunities to secure and subsequently we are unable to provide a timescale for any works to be actioned. Until this funding is secured, we are limited in the level of detail we can currently share with local stakeholders and therefore would respectfully ask that any meeting is deferred until works are in a position to be commissioned.
I trust this is of assistance.
Seamus Connolly
Group Manager
Parks Development & Bereavement Services - Neighbourhoods, Regeneration and Sustainability”
Kind regards
Sent on behalf of Bailie Margaret Morgan
Nikki Loudon/Fiona MacGrain (Jobshare) Support Officer
The Engineers to the council - 31st January 2023
Dear Councillors
We are extremely concerned that the footpath access to Linn Park from Snuff Mill Road / Greenock Avenue, remains closed. It has now been closed for over 14 months and there is no indication of it being re-opened.
Living close to the park we are acutely aware of the number of people who continue to seek access via this path and the many who climb into the park to gain access, placing themselves at risk. As we move towards spring and summer the demand for access will increase and accordingly, we believe the issue should be addressed now.
We would like to arrange a meeting with you and relevant Council officers (e.g. George Gillespie and / or senior colleague(s)) to enable an informed discussion about the problem. Whilst we appreciate the rock fall raised safety issues there are many new risks created by the current situation.
Thank you in anticipation of your assistance.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Philip Mendelsohn, Colin Robertson, Richard Townsend-Rose
The Engineers to the council - 23rd July 2022
Further to the above I am aware that the Linn Area Committee met on 30 June under your chairmanship and at that meeting:
Item 1 relating to expenditure of £12,500 on the White Cart Walkway was deferred for further information.
Item 2 relating to Linn Castle Phase 2 (there is a Cathcart Castle, but I am not aware of a Linn Castle) was approved.
Can you advise if either of these relate to the issue of the rock fall and the reopening the entrance to the park? If indeed they do when is work being undertaken?
I note that some £26,000 remains unallocated from Local Parks & Open Space Improvement Fund in the current financial year. Surely this is a priority matter?
Notwithstanding the above matters have you heard further from the officers as to why the entrance remains closed when there is no overt risk and an appropriate risk management strategy should address the immediate concerns?
The Engineers to the council - 14th June 2022
Dear Councillors
I wish to draw to your attention the ongoing closure (in excess of 6 months now) of the entrance to Linn Park from the junction of Greenock Avenue and Snuff Mill Road. This is immediately adjacent to the house I share with my partner and which abuts the first section of the path.
As we understand the situation the Council has had a desk study undertaken, but has not acted on any of the recommendations. Rather it has chosen to “close” this very popular and important entrance to the park in a bid to stop use of the path. I put close in inverted commas as none of the closure methods have been effective, demonstrating the public demand for this path to be re-opened. It is particularly important as it is part of the a very popular circular walk through the park and along the footpath on the west bank of the river.
After several failed attempts to block the Greenock Avenue entrance the Council brought in blacksmiths to close the gates, which have probably been jammed open for 50 or more years. It has also erected various forms of barrier at the park end of the path. Whilst the gates have remained closed the adjacent fences, which were not in good condition, have now been comprehensively dismantled and users of all ages and abilities regularly enter and exit here. At the other end the barriers erected and re-erected are regularly dismantled and circumvented. What a waste of money and energy.
I am a chartered civil engineer and whilst not a geo-technical specialist I am quite conversant with the undertaking and application of risk assessments. It seems to me that by following what is deemed to be a “sensible” approach the Council is in fact increasing risk as people climb through and over fences and walk adjacent to the river bank, etc. as they are determined to get through at all costs. However as the path is no longer continuously in use, if they were to have an accident, they may remain undetected for some time and not get the help they would need. Whilst a rock fall may be a risk it would seem to be the least of current risks. The rocks which fell formed a short ridge and all of the visible rocks have fallen, there are no obvious rocks in danger of an imminent fall. However ongoing use is creating at least 3 additional risks each time the path is traversed, an incident on the fence at either end and the risk of being injured and not detected for some time, should an accident occur on the path.
It is notable that there are no diversion signs, if this was a public road, there would have to be such signs. The obvious alternative route is to use the park entrance at Seil Drive, however to reach that location pedestrians have to either cross Old Castle Road twice (as only footpath is on north side) or walk on the narrow, undulating and twisting carriageway. Cyclists have no choice but the cycle on the unsatisfactory road. So the displaced users are subject to further risks.
We fully appreciate that the Council has financial constraints and accordingly it is important that a correct balance of costs and risk is achieved. A key failing of the RSK report is that they only identify the level of risk and not the likelihood. The normal approach to risk assessment is to estimate both the level of and likelihood of risk and combine these to produce a “risk score”. The score can then be used in assessing a range of costed options to make realistic and meaningful decisions. A high risk with a low probability may not warrant significant expenditure, but rather observation and management. In this regard I would sight the management of the A83 at the Rest and Be Thankful, where the road is kept open and only closed when an incident occurs or is deemed imminent. We see no sign that any such judgement is being applied, rather the Council is hiding behind the report by RSK Consultants. If the path was reopened park rangers could make regular visual inspections, this is not skilled job, if they note any change then they can alert other more skilled staff to examine the situation in more detail. To put this incident in context no one with local knowledge is aware of any previous rock falls in this area.
I hope you and your colleagues will raise this matter with the relevant officials and budget holders to restore this important local amenity, preferably, before the start of the school holidays.
Freedom of Information request - 12th April 2022
An FOI was raised on the council for the provision of the report behind which the council are sheltering.
The RSK report was provided on 13th May - a day late. The report was released to the council on 4th January 2022.
You may read it here: https://tdocplus.co.uk/linnpark/images/20220101_RSK-Geo_GCC_LP_Cliff_Report_s.pdf
The report was analysed, and a "prequalification of RSK" carried out. This determined that RSK were not a suitable firm to have provided the report. It also showed that one of their investors is Ares who are an American firm investing heavily in Britain and who are renowned for their abilty to "Monetise the Managed Assets" - or in common parlance ripping off people / firms / council's using various dubious tactics.
Read the prequalification here: https://tdocplus.co.uk/linnpark/?view=article&id=252